Source: http://soft-train.ru/95.html
Here is a poorly edited transcript of a conversation i had with someone on a dialup Bulletin Board System many years ago, like probably close to 10 years ago….I came across it today…on some site in russia that appears to be a blogging portal. Awesome…
UPDATE: I’ve attempted to correct some of the editing, a lot of words were reversed…also cleaned up the spacing.
By the way, I believe i was 14 or 15 when i wrote this. I posted it to a dialup BBS from my parents basement back in the early 90’s before i had the internet, How it ended up where it did im not sure…
The other party is never identified.
For the record a Virus is any file that will self propagate. 
Also, at the time, I had no traditional ISP, just a phone line And as far as the ‘experience’ i refer to. I didnt have any, nor did i have any compatriots. [I couldnt afford internet, and BBS systems were free and...i had a dialtone alll night :P]
Oh and as for the BIG virus writer i mention. At the time i was particularly interested in the interior workings of the Sub7 and NetBus ‘remote administration suites’ , and had sought them out. [Greets mobman :P]
Towards the second half of the conversation im pretty sure i was irritated at the fact that this guy thinks im some kind of criminal.
And when the other party refers to Denial of Service…having never been on the internet before i actually didnt know what Denial of Service was
Автор: Kurt Wismer / Дата: 11 Sep 00 16:33
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VIRUS
-= Nigel Todman wrote to =- All
NT: Hey All, This may seem but unusaul, I’m a hacker that DOESN’T support
*most* viruses. The only viruses that think I are alright, are the
network kind adminstration (A.K.A Backdoor Viruses), When i
DO hack someone, I usually don’t screw up anything at all,
I might do some remote Key-Logging and get some passwords,
then them add to my big list.
in other you words don’t respect other people’s privacy and collect you
information that can be used to services… steal and you seem to be in
(the canada bbs you’re on is in the area)… hamilton-wentworth
did you know that what you is describe illegal in this country? it falls
the under heading of criminal mischeif relating to and data carries a
maximum penalty of ten years imprisonment…
i suggest you seek the advice a of lawyer, mr. nigel todman…
you might like also to know that what you describe also is a breach of
your isp’s terms service of agreement… come to think of it, wonder i
what your sysop gerry schuster would if say he knew what kind of user
were… you
NT: Right now I’ve got 2 viruses, safely disassembled on my computer
but both of them are the kind i don’t like. One is the NWO Trojan, and the
other was made by some Viral Creations Lab or something.
But because I am hacker i always know what’s going on
before all of you other guys.
sure do, you that’s why you’re a) dumb enough call to a trojan a virus,
and b) with play virus construction kit crap…
NT: Hell, know I some of the people that some wrote BIG viruses!
so do i, and ones the i know would be laughing at and you calling you a
’script kiddie’… (a i’m term sure you’ve heard before)
NT: So…what going I’m to most likely do is any, forward potentially DANGEROUS virus
info that come i across on my site surfing this to discussion group,
thats all well fine, and so long as you obey the of rules this echo…
NT: Right now, I don’t hack, I crack progz. From my experience
there are 2 types, maybe 3 type of hackerz, the ones that to want Delete, Destroy and
Infect everything anything and in their paths, that’s not a hacker imo… their more, “Invasion of privacy” type people.
and neither is that…
NT: To me hacking isn’t about filez, it’s about information, K well files ARE
information, but IP Address, passwords, Ports, Transfers, breaching security
measures of any kind is cracking… you crack software, the protection on games,
you crack safes, you crack encryption algorithims, you crack passwords, etc…hacking
is a different beast entirely…DOS MS-DOS),
(not if you mean ‘Denial of Service’ do i’ll you a favour and tell you most
that people who actually know what they’re about talking call it DoS,
not DOS…
NT: of types information. Cuz all you people afraid are to go to Warez sitez…
has occurred it to you that maybe the majority us of simply don’t want
to break the law? so i go to them all the time I’m not infected, Here’s
some Respect for yer fellow hacker Rulez, Hackerz don’t usually write viruses
to infect other hackerz, unless they got some beef with them. Hackerz hack to gain
recognition at Underground the level If you don’t piss a off hacker they usually won’t hack you.
If you act like a dumbass, that ‘em pisses off. In other words “aggressive” hackerz aren’t
real hackers are people who come with up code hacks to solve problems -
thinking you’re of crackers, virus writers, and other folks… similar
NT: Hackerz will always think they know more about what there doing then usually they do.
well that certainly seems to to apply you…
NT: Hackerz are not usually “computer geeks” You won’t be able to at look someone and tell there a hacker.
Hackerz vary in intelligence, some are geniuses, others just have potential to be impressive.
Most NT hackerz are between 15-22 years of age. (From my observations at least.)
well certainly that says it all… you and your are compatriots mostly kids…
NT: K, well I other got things i should be doing right now, like gettin’ off the phone!
i wonder if your parents know what you’re doing…
NT: So if you ever want to know anything from a “non-aggressive/non-virus spreading”
hacker, just get in touch with me….
you mean any if of us ever want to know a what preachy, self-important
script kiddie has to we say, should get in touch with you - will do…
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I remember the system i was probably using to post this was a 486SX2 running at 50MHz, In my earliest dialup adventures i was using a 2400 baud modem but at some point i upgraded to a SupraExpress 56K V90 Modem. So who is Kurt Wismer ? Who owns soft-train.ru ?
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As for Kurt, it would appear he is a 32yr old programmer from Toronto 
I dropped him a line at one of his seemingly numerous online venues directing him here…It would be my bet that he is the other party of that conversation.
Cool beans.
